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Chubbz91



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:31 pm    Post subject: Need advice Reply with quote

Hiya all I'm new to this and was wanting some advice I've had my hgv licence 5 months and my boss has said I've gone over my hours without break and I've signed some paperwork. I've left and got another job as I wasn't happy will my new employer know about my infringements and will it affect my new job.

Also does working time directives and tacho rules work together I. E 30 break after 6 hours my heads a mess with it all Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hullo Chubbz91, welcome to the PDF Waving

Our resident tacho expert will be along soon to answer your questions.

Having a single source for the information stops confusion from multiple replies
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning Chubbz

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/603096/simplified-guidance-eu-drivers-hours-working-time-rules.pdf

Here is a simplified guide to drivers hours and on Page 9 you will find an excellent chart which will tell you whether you need a break or not, and if you do how long for.

The tacho and WTD rules do work together and a tacho break will count as a WTD break as well.

Have a look at the link and then ask away if there is anything you need to be explained to you.

One thing though, in future if you are asked to sign for an infringement always ask what it was for and for an explanation if you don't understand what you have done wrong, before signing.

I don't think your new employer will be too bothered as most are happy to explain.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for taking the time to reply what will happen if I get pulled by vosa I've never been pulled before and I'm worried
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about VOSA too much. They are not the ogre's some drivers would have you believe they are.

First thing to remember is to pass the attitude test Very Happy

Be polite and helpful, tell them the truth and they are not unreasonable.

Explain that you have only had your licence for 5 months, and that you got that infringement but no-one explained to you why you got it.

Tell them you've asked for advice to try and find out and they will be able to explain it to you.

Once they see you are trying to stay legal and not deliberately trying to run bent they will be just fine with you and help if they can.

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine has had several infringements and has gone over his driving time by one min what will happen if vosa pull him will he get fined he has had his licence 4 years he has never been pulled and he's worried
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat is away at the moment so this is a temporary answer to go on with.
What your friend should do is make a printout for each day the infringement(s) occurred. Then on the back of the printout write an explanation why the infringement occurred. i.e. "running to safe parking"
He should then keep the printouts with him for the next 28 days before handing them into the transport office.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Chubbz

The advice Squarepeg has given above is exactly what I would have given had I have been here Laughing Waving

Regarding the 1 minute infringements and VOSA it would largely depend on your friend passing the 'attitude test' if he is pulled, so I don't think he needs to worry.

They don't normally prosecute for such small amounts of time unless there are also some bigger infringements to make a case of.

The normal course of action when there are multiple small infringements would be to give advice and providing your friend takes that advice in good part and appears sorry then that's all that normally happens.

The advice would be along the lines of

'' Now look here Sonny, you have known for 4.5 hours that you need a break so why are you leaving it to the last minute every day? The 4.5 hours is a maximum and NOT a target you have to reach. STOP earlier and save us all this hassle ok?''

His reply should be ''OK Guv, thanks for the advice, I'll do that then'' Laughing

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